Back to square one with the double buggy - where is everyone else??!

[katkinn]

Well I finally managed to find out yesterday that the Mutsy doesn't have both seats on the duo seat that recline :doh: So that pretty much now rules that out for me. :hissyfit:

So I'm back to the fecking drawing board :sigh:

Can anyone come up with some suggestions??!! (like we havent had enough! :puzzled: )

SO I thought we may as well start all over again (ie the mega double buggy thread from HB) as I tried to read it earlier and ended up like this :brainache: :zombie: after 5 pages!!

RIGHT!!

So what is everyone's criteria?

My criteria is:

A narrow buggy - CAN be a twin as opposed to a tandem I've decided but MUST be less than 76cm in width.

MUST have both seats that recline so her Ladyship H can sleep.

MUST have swivel front wheels.

Ideally as light as possible (although this isn't the biggest issue in the world as I'm not going to be taking in and out of a car v much but I can't see that I'd want it more than 15kg or so.)

I *think* I've come to the conclusion that I'm going to keep the Bugaboo (as it has carrycot and carseat options) with board for H and the Ziko (will bung upstairs under the bed) and have to get a generic double.

I really can't see an option other than that buying a twin buggy :puzzled:

I also *think* that I've narrowed it down to either the Maclaren Twin Techno or the Mountain Buggy (only about £350 difference between the two :faint: :yeahright: yes my darling other half thinks I am totally :loco: ) but if anyone can come up with any other suggestions or thoughts on these two, I'd be over the moon!!

If anyone is interested I have found this which looks FAB but a) it's too wide for me and b) it *says* that the seat will only go up to 15kg :shock: Isn't that just over 30 lbs or something???!!! H is 29 lbs now! :zombie: So probably not the best purchase for me, but it does look great for some people maybe?!

eta to add link - DOH!

http://www.babyenterprise.com/First%20Wheels%20Twin%20Elite%20Pushchair.htm

RIght - GO everyone!!!!!

katkinn
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[Adelelee]

To be honest I think I have lost the will to live where double buggy is concerned and I am putting one of my children on Ebay, I now have to decide which one :doh::doh::doh::doh:

[Princess Fiona]

I *think* that the front seat on the Jane Powertwin reclines, but only slightly and would meet all your other criteria.

Also the NEW Jane Twin TWO is released this month (June) and BOTH seats are suitable from newborn!! http://www.lullabys.co.uk/shop/erol.html#1045x0&&http%3A%252F%252Fwww.google.co.uk%252Fsearch%3Fhl% 3Den%26q%3Djane+twin+two%26meta%3D its not the most attractive of pushchairs tbh but it does its job, it's VERY light for a twin buggy which i think would compensate for the extra length even though i don't think its nearly as long as most tandems.

hth

(scoots off because she really shouldn't be reading this thread! :oops:)

PS: If you look at the combi twin on the link i posted above thats only 76cm wide as a side by side and BOTH seats recline as well. I LOVE the look of that twin buggy you posted, shame i won't be needing one now)

[Bert2e]

I like the Out and About double Nipper - very light - but it would take up all the space in my car so we've decided to compromise and go for the Cosatto Duet Light (and I think that the Mothercare Hoxton is the same buggy in a different guise) as it takes up less room in the boot. The front seat doesn't recline though.

[zwinnie]

Oooh we've just been out today and would you believe that I think we're going to end up with a P&T's, which I know you HATED (which frankly is putting me off a little :tongue: ) but it does seem to work best for us. Still can't quite get my head around the whole baby in basket thing, plus no view, but tandems don't work for me because our flat is a garden flat so I need to bump up and down 10 steps in total and the Jane Powertwin et al are just TOO heavy.

Kat, have you looked at the P&T twin? This is about 72cm wide, has two front swivel wheels, baby can fully recline and I don't think it's too heavy. This is my other option, but our front door is 72-73cm, so there's a chance it won't work. God, I really wish I could borrow one to try it out.

Would love to know what others are doing, although we REALLY need to get ours sorted asap as baby is due in 10 days!!!! :shock:

xxx

[katkinn]

Thanks Adelee - you're about as much help as a chocolate fecking teapot :rolleyes: :doh: :cry: Actually what do we think about putting the baby in the shopping basket................ (oh no, that would be a P&T's :teehee: :happyno: Sorry Zwinnie!!! I can absolutely see that it is v useful for people, especially in London and you're right - I do have VERY strong views about it (but as you've made up your mind, I won't go into them now :wink: And to be fair, for every person I know who hasn't liked it, I do know another person who loves it, so it definitely does suit some people :wink: errrrr and 10 days left! :faint: We were going to ask G to a *v dull* furniture ball week after next, but I said I was pretty sure that was your due date and it probably wasn't the best idea! :teehee: )

I will go and have a look at the P&T twin - thanks for that!!

berte - the out and about nipper looks excellent and I know that bubble loves it, but it doesn't have a front swivel wheel which is just totally :no: in London!!! I know that smiley from HB loves her cosatto duetlite but a) it weighs a ton and b) it doesn't have a reclineable seat for the toddler which again, unfortunately rules it out for me, but thanks for the suggestions!

katy - I'll definitely see if I can find out some more about the new Jane. But you're right - it's not the most attractive, is it :happyno: (plus I think it looks a tad cheap, but it clearly isn't, is it? :happyno: ) AND I'm not sure how light it is as it doesn't say how much the seats weigh. The chassis is 9kg but that's without the seats so it's probably up to about 13/14kg with the seats - so not that light actually. (they're SO cheeky not putting the total weight on aren't they :yeahright: )

The combi twin is great and light but it's FAR too small for my bruiser hettster! I had to shoehorn her in it a month ago, I think she'd tip it over onto it's side if I put her in it now :teehee:

Adelee - get helping with the research lady. You're going to need it before me!! :teehee:

and katy thank you so much for your help chickie - as much as I know the thought of double buggies can't be that cheerful for you right now, I know how much you love the subject (like me! :wink: ) so I really appreciate you helping!!!!

That new one looks really cool doesn't it!! (and you WILL need it one day chickie!!)

katkinn
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[katkinn]

AH zwinnie - I've just been to check out the P&T twin pushchair and I've remember another thing that I really didn't like about the single one (and from the looks of the bumph on their website, this has the same spec)

In fact this was the main reason at 3 months that I sold it.

Basically there is no position from 3 to 6 months for the baby to sit comfortably in. There is only horizontal or sitting practically upright for the buggy and at 3 months, every baby I know needs to be MORE upright than lying down, but is too little to be totally upright and will slump terribly.

This is actually a major concern that I've read on a number of websites and have been told by a number of people who've had the P&T's.

Plus it weighs 16.5 kg which I think is heavier than the mountain buggy (and certainly heavier than the single one - which is about 12.5 kg with both seats on I think??)

BUT it is v narrow so I'm definitely going to check it out irl (if I can find it that is :rolleyes: WHY does nowhere stock a good selection of double buggies? :hissyfit: )

And I totally agree that you should be at LEAST able to try them at home to see if you can get it through the pigging door!!!!

[bisy backson]

well we are DEFINiTELY going for the toddler seat only option - splashy only sleeps at midday now and we have decided the chances of us being out on a long walk when both of them need to sleep at the same time is minimal...... (remind me to re-read this thread in six months time.....:lol: )

so no help at all either, sorry!

bbxx

[cab71]

Not been about for yonks and you're still looking for the double buggy?!!!
Shame about the combi - altho how big is h??? My 2 boys are fairly hefty, particularly tom who is weighing in at about 29 lbs and they both fit comfortably in it, altho they spend the whole time leaning forward and grabbing the front bar and scoffing all the grapes i put in the little feeding trays!!!! So they don't often recline in it.

Here's some websites for you, not sure if they will help, you've probably seen most of the pushchairs anyway, but jusonne has a large selection
http://www.2became4.com/ProductsList.aspx?CategoryID=14
http://www.jusonne.co.uk

[sparkliness]

Hello,

Well this all sounds familiar.:tongue:

OK, well many moons ago the mountain buggy was a favourite of mine too. If you look here: http://www.mountainbuggy.com/img/Stroller%20and%20Carrycot%20Dimensions%20Chart.pdf the tech specs show the urban double weighs 15.5kg plus another 3.5kg for a carrycot - so it works out to be very heavy.

The Techno XT looks a good possible, although I'm still not keen on side by sides.

However the powertwin is only 0.4kg heavier than the XT. I know it's longer than the others, but I did have a good play and it definitely reclines enough at the front for napping, and it is much more padded than others. You also have the option of putting the rebel car seat on it for the baby.

It is v swivelly and manoevureable and I think would be my choice if I didn't have to put it in the car all the time.

Anyway, as far as decisions for me go - I finally ordered a bugaboo yesterday and we are reserving judgement on the double til

the baby arrives - although I'm due a week today:faint:

Sparkliness xx

[zwinnie]

Hmmm, I didn't even think about the fact that there might be a problem for babies between 3 and 6 months with the P&Ts. GRRR, now I'm going to have to check this one out again. :brainache:

I am SOOOOO fed up with this.

BB, what do you mean by the toddler seat option? I've asked various different places about whether there's a single buggy that I can add a toddler seat too and no one's come up with anything ....

Kat, I've been to some bizarre places to look at doubles - go to the suppliers websites of the ones you're interested in and then check out stockists. We went to a tiny place in Golders Green, but they had the Powertwin, the Out and About plus various Mamas and Papas, McLaren etc. Then yesterday we went to a grotty parade of shops in Ruislip but they had both the P&Ts, plus Out n About, Mutsy (although not with duo seat). Then of course we've also been to John Lewis Oxford St, although their selection was pretty pants ... but I did see the Cosatto there.

I just don't understand why it's so difficult to crack this one girls. Reckon we could make a fortune designing one ourselves ... :nod:

[Princess Fiona]

and katy thank you so much for your help chickie - as much as I know the thought of double buggies can't be that cheerful for you right now, I know how much you love the subject (like me! :wink: ) so I really appreciate you helping!!!! That new one looks really cool doesn't it!! (and you WILL need it one day chickie!!)

Unofrtunately i don't think i WILL ever be needing one, but i LOVE buggies i'll help at any oppurtunity. Thanks for saying thanks. :kiss: PS: that new Elite one DOES look 8) when oh when will the Bug guys get the message :rolleyes:

[Adelelee]

Thanks Adelee - you're about as much help as a chocolate fecking teapot :rolleyes: :doh: :cry:

Adelee - get helping with the research lady. You're going to need it before me!! :teehee:
Katkinn
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Sorry for not being much help, my brain is totally frazzled by it all, I really thought I had settled on the Mutsy (and still might) but its just the bloody SIZE of the thing thats putting me off, I do use the car a lot so lugging it in and out does not appeal much to me:doh::doh:

I liked that one you posted a link to Kat, looks a bit like the bug, but I would still have the problem that 3 days a week I would be pushing round half empty pram with just a baby in and no toddler, also that looks pretty big. I wonder where I could see it IRL :huh::huh:

My main problem right now is the fact that my back bedroom (which we are supposed to be moving into) is like a fecking bomb site and we cant start Elizas room (our old one) until thats finished, I HATE DECORATING:no::no:

[bisy backson]

zwinnie we have this (http://http://www.abcbuggy.co.nz/) buggy (pricey & quite heavy but spectaclier in all other respects.

you can put a toddler seat (http://www.abcbuggy.co.nz/images/tod_seat_002.jpg) on the front which is the option i think we will go for.

not sure quite how maneouverable it will be but its really the only option for us.

bbxx

[katkinn]

which one bisy?? Was there a link I can't see??!! :puzzled:

Adelee I totally see your point about the days when you just take mini adelee out and you know exactly the same issues as you - I didn't want a fleet of pushchairs. :happyno:

But after all the research I've done (which is actually really difficult as there really is so little choice :hissyfit: ) I've come to the conclusion that there really isn't one buggy that serves all my purposes so I'm just going to keep the ones I have (my beloved bug :cheer2: and the Ziko which I also think is superb!!) and just buy a generic double buggy.

Talking to Mr Kinn last night (in between his eyes glazing over :rolleyes: funny that!) we've agreed to go and look at them all at Two Left Feet in Bedford (H's godmother lives round the corner :teehee: ) but I think I have my heart set on the mountain buggy.

I would definitely go with the Out and About but for the fact that it's front wheel doesn't swivel and imo that makes it impossible to steer :cry:

I also KNOW that if I buy the Maclaren there is a high chance that it will drive me nuts and I'll just end up going and buying the MB anyway :loco: :oops:

Zwinnie - do have a look again at the P&T's and see what you think. I've been reading loads of reviews about it (and other doubles natch!!) and the one negative that most people do say is that it doesn't really suit babies from 3 to 6 months. I can definitely confirm this and it's why I got rid of it at 3 months. (and a lot of other reasons which I won't go into now!! And to be fair, they're not really relevant when it comes to a double buggy as a number of them are size related and as a double it's easily one of the smallest, if not the smallest on the market) The safety issue does hugely hugely worry me though :-( I REALLY hope you find something that suits (and then let me know!!!)

One plus with the P&T's is that they do have fantastic resale value so even if you did have it for only a couple of months you'd probably get the majority of your money back!!!

katkinn
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[donna-j]

No idea why I'm reading this, other than nosiness, but would two Zikos and the clips that fasten two strollers together be totally unworkable? Not sure how easy it would be to 'drive', but one Ziko is so easy to push. It might be worth a try.

[scatterbrain]

I know absolutely nothing about double buggies, but just wanted to say whatever you buy check it in your car boot first.

I went out with Elena yesterday. The woman in the car next to ours had a baby & a toddler. She pulled the buggy out of the boot, fixed the wheels back on (as it didn't fit in the car with them) & then went on her way.

Sod that! With 2 small children the last thing I'd want to do is fix wheels on to the buggy before using it.

I don't know what sort it was - 3 wheels & seats side by side.

Scatterbrain

[Azana]

Isn't there a website you can hire and try from somewhere - might be worth it in interests of avoiding expensive mistake?

I'm still resisting buying one as we barely use E's at the mo' - going to try and sling it - will see how Shamu gets on with similar age gap
A

[bisy backson]

oops - my hi tech linkery isn't quite there yet - click here (http://www.abcbuggy.co.nz/) kat and see if that works

bbxx

[katkinn]

:oops: bisy I still can't see a link - I think I may have a problem with my compooter :doh:

Can other people see it ok??

katkinn
xxx

[bisy backson]

its a very similar colour to the text - click on the word 'here'

bbxx

[Booh]

Right then..........

Even though the Mutsy didn't fill all my requirements it was the best out of the pick of a bad bunch. But I am never going to get my hands on one so that is out.

P&T - I do like this, and have found out that P&T do rear wheel guards (so stop the finger trapping thing) and unlike Katkin says I wouldn't find the baby having to lie flat a problem as DD HAD to lie flat until she was 6 months old, I used my carry cot on my quinny until then. I have this real thing about babies being in prams flat for as long as possible. But it is £300 and EVERYONE around here has one or a bugg!

I have a Boogie XTS twister that I use for work and I HATE it. It is hard to push, heavy, never goes in the right direction. Plus DD is a tiny 24lbs, but she is looking too big for it and I am not sure how long the hood will go over her head. Also, it does lie just about flat but I wouldn't put a newborn in there. Also no shopping basket, and you need a hummer otherwise you would never get it in the book!

Mountain buggy is nice, but again big, and my friend has it for twins and at 2 they are getting too big (and heavy) to push in it..... same issue hood will not close over them.

I also have a maclaren type double, that I hate soooo much as it is so hard to push, flimsy, and there is no way I would put a new born in there!!

Keep thinking that I will just have to manage, and thought that I could have a bugg, but DD will not fit on one now, so there is no way she wil fit in september.

I do like the link you posted to the 'bugg lookalike' double, that is an option!

So at the moment, am on the 'will try and manage front!'

So not much help I am afraid, shame you are not closer as you could come and test out my two doubles.........and maybe even try a few slings out!!!! Only joking!!!!!!!!!!!!

[WoollyNewty]

Well Katkinn you might just want to kiss my sweet butt then BECAUSE.....

.....I am pleased to inform you that a NEW Nipper is being launched in July (so only a few weeks time!) and it has a nice 360 degree swivel front wheel. 8) :clap:

Here is a nice picture: http://www.newcastleprams.co.uk/babyproducts_411_87_Out-n-About-Nipper-Double-360o.html

Oh and hello everyone :rock: this is my first ever damsels post - I have resisted for a very very long time but hey there comes a point when every Newt must leave their pond and forray into a brave new world..... I hope you will all be kind to me! :wave:

[Pancake01]

I don't know what I'm doing on this thread, but a big :wave: to WN for coming to visit us here in the new pond. :welcome: I know lots of people will be happy to see you here! :ellie:

[Minky]

I also should not be on this thread :oops: but am hoping that by the time I DO get pregnant (please note positive thinking) that you ladies will have solved all my problems!

Minky

PS loving that nipper WN.

[Adelelee]

Just showed DH the Nipper and he loves it!!! SO much for me not going for a traditional double and pushing round half empty pram :lol: :lol:

I wonder what date in July its available?????

Adele
xx

[Adelelee]

Just also seen this one on the Newcastle Prams site

Any good Kat?????

http://www.newcastleprams.co.uk/babyproducts_363_87_Babystyle-Twin-Twister-Pushchair.html

[katkinn]

ooooh thanks for that everybody!!!

Right, well it's now between the Out n About 360! and the Mountain Buggy.

I need to actually measure my doors internally and check that the Out n About will fit through as it's 77cm whereas the Mountain Buggy is 73cm. Doesn't sound like a lot of difference but I think it might be (and if it won't fit through, that sort of makes my mind up for me!!!)

But it's so light - that would be fab!!

Bubble - do you think it's pretty much the same size "inside" as the mountain buggy.

Booh - re size of the MB, I sat H in it last week and she had absolutely LOADS of growth left (and she's HUGE!!!) In fact I pushed her and her bruiser toddler friend in it and it was an absolutely piece of piss to push and they're both hulking!!

So with her and a bitsy baby I'm sure it will be fine.

Someone else I know still uses it for her 4 year old twins every now and again and they fit in it fine as well.

Am doing a massive reccy in a couple of weeks at Two Left Feet so fingers crossed we'll have it sussed then (yeah right)

Now I just need to name the little critter.................

[zwinnie]

Oh god, I got all excited about the swivel wheel on the Out N About (what has life come to?? :tongue: ) and then remembered that our front door has a funny angle on it so I need something narrower than 73cm. So, that leaves the P&Ts twin, which it says has 4 positions???

Think I'm going to bite the bullet and go for it ... GULP.

oh, and :wave: hi Woolly - it's good to see you.

xxx

[Bubble]

Oooh, if the Nipper 360 had been around when we were buying, I'd definitely have got that one, it looks fab.

Anyways...yes Kat, I do think that the Nipper and the Mountain Buggy are pretty much identical inside. They both have a sort of 'wall' in the middle of the children (not described very well, sorry) but it basically means they are kept apart - which, in my experience, is great with kids of different ages. It means that Sam can't really reach over and bash Chloe or try and nick her toys etc. It depends on what sort of child you've got really, but we tried Sam in buggies where the children were together with nothing to seperate them and the first thing he did was reach over to the other side. I didn't want him doing that when I had a newborn baby in it!

I didn't realise the Mountain Buggy was that narrow. I find mine very narrow (for a double). I would definitely try H in the Mountain Buggy to see how much room she's got, as I know she's not titchy for her age. Sam fits very well into the Nipper but I wouldn't like to try him in anything much smaller as I think he'd be too squashed (he's pretty big for his age). I know what you mean though about it needing to go through your front door. The Nipper does go through mine though - both through the front door (which is quite wide) but then also through the porch door (which is pretty narrow).

The Nipper is very, very light as well - I'm pretty sure it's the lightest double on the market. It's crucial to have a light buggy imo when you have to push a toddler and a baby (who's only going to get bigger!) around. I actually find pushing the Nipper easier than my single Maclaren, because it's so light and is a three wheeler.

HTH :smile:

Bubble
xx

[Strawberry Bivi]

I'm planning to use a toddler seat that goes onto the carry cot, but LO won't be able to sleep if we are out. It's that or a double mountain buggy terrain.

I'm thinking of a buggy pod for around town.

[spritzer]

Embarrassingly, Mr S & I went and bought ours at the weekend:oops:

yes, we know it is stupidly early but we found such a bargain that we couldn't leave it behind.

Sadly, I can't remember exactly what it is called but I think it is an out and about (or in and out:oops: ) 3 wheeler something or other. The following features swung it for us:

Sturdy double front wheel that swivels
Adjustable handle bar (mountain buggy is fixed and not so padded and comfortable)
Removable carrycot for newborn. Newborn is in carrycot facing you until older enough to sit in chair properly.
Both sides fully reclining to horizontal
1 side is wider for the carrycot so newborn is there until carrycot is not needed and then you swap over so larger toddler has more room

Only other model to have a carrycot is mountain buggy and this costs extra. And, I didn't like it much.

Phil & ted's only really lasts for 6 months and that bottom bit seemed really claustrophobic.

Disadvantages to ours - it's heavy and big but we are only planning to use it for whole days out when the size and space will be what's most important.

Can't fit a buggy board on our pliko when it is reclined in newborn position and Xander will be too young to use it all the time.

I will probably sell the double when newbie is 1ish and Xander can be on the buggy board more confidently.

The main reason we bought it was that it was the last one the shop had and was reduced fro £409 to £249:ellie:

Tell us we are mad:brainache: :doh: :lol:

[katkinn]

:faint: oh my lord I'm so impressed.

god I am the world's biggest ditherer (and feck knows why - I've always done loads of research on buggies - yes really :shock: - and have ended up having to sell 2 of the ones I've bought :loco: Although I am really pleased with the two replacements that I've had for them - the bugaboo and the ziko!)

My friend is comign round in the next couple of weeks with her mountain buggy to see if it fits through my front door!!!! It *should* according to the measurements, but these things always seem to be a different dimension irl :yeahright:

[Strawberry Bivi]

How do you get the baby into the bottom bit on the P&T? I've only seen them in the street and they seemed like a good idea but I've never seen anyone actually put the baby in.

[spritzer]

The bottom bit is removeable. It slides out like a sort of soft sided carrycot/cocoon thing and then you put the baby in and slide it back in again. It's really cosy, but a bit claustrophobic and the baby has no view. One of the best ways to entertain/tire out/get to sleep is to take them for a walk and look at the sky and trees etc. so for me this sort of defies the point of the walk as stimulation.

They are tiny, really easy to move around and really practical so I would say they are great for a few months, barring what I've said above, but I don't think you'd get much use out of it after 6 months.

[Strawberry Bivi]

Thanks. It sounds like quite a lot of lifting and bending, and I'm having a section so not ideal. I'm going to stick to plan A and hope it works.

[Honey Dew]

I've finally given up on the idea of a double buggy & decided to go the route of baby backpack. Jude will be 2 when baby arrives, & he already walks a lot. Will put him in the backpack if he needs a rest to start with & when baby gets older I can put him in the backpack & do without the pusher.

[Pikeypants]

Sorry to ressurect this dead horse :teehee: but has anyone ever seen this before or know anything about it?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Quinny-Freestyle-4-Tandem-Navy-Brand-New_W0QQitemZ200000358651QQihZ010QQcategoryZ66704Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It may well have been discussed on here already but it is too late in at night to be trawling through the whole post.

Opinions?

[Honey Dew]

Looks pretty cool to me, Pikey! On first look, I was wondering where the second seat was!! I'd definately be wanting to have a bit of a look at it IRL, & see how heavy it is though. Good price aswell.

I'm back on the Phil & Teds, after completely throwing out the double buggy idea, I'm definately going for it.

[MsNat]

I've got a Phil & Ted's, had it for almost a year now and absolutely hate the bloomin thing.

Just going out know but will post my honest opinions on it later.

[Princess Fiona]

Found this info on the Quinny 4 thing http://daddytypes.com/archive/2005/05/18/quinny_freestyle_3_and_4_in_walmart_fire_sale.php have posted on there and asked the folded dimensions and weight for you PP. From the comments sounds like its not a good option if you want something to stick in the car etc, sounds a good deal if you want to just leave it up and walk a lot though :thumb: They've mentioned its quite heavy and bulky which tbh you can see from the pics really, but no one mentions HOW heavy, i'd be very interested to find out, its being compared to the Graco Quattro quite a lot, i have this and it weighs around 12g as a single pushchair so i would guess this is heavier especially with the toddler seat on as well, and then with 2 children in it. I know i find it hard to use my big Graco now Lu is bigger and she's still only 20lb ish.

But hey what do i know, i shouldn't even be here :oops:

[DKNI]

PP apparently its like driving a tank and many a person has regretted buying it.

I am still undecided and for now Kane is in the baby carrier which I love and Dylan is walking or in his buggy.

i did see the mutsy that I want out in town but I am so not sure about how much use we will get out of if. i think its better for me to get a mummy bike with 2 kids seats or a little trailer for the back of my bike.

Dylan will be going to playschool in the new year so it would make it a bit easier if I had a bike otherwise its a long walk.

[MsNat]

Right then, The Phil and Ted.

Good points : -

It's narrow - fits easily into taxis, buses, trains, lifts, shops etc.
Easy to assemble, collapses very easily.
It's light
Good re-sale value.


Bad points : -

In newborn & toddler mode - Front seat folds down flat & adapter seat goes on the front. Nat always looked really uncomfortable, seat doesn't recline. I brought the carrycot as well, good in theory but I'd have to strap Nat in, put carrycot on the floor, place Will in it, zip him up, lift carrycot up and slide it into place and strap him in.
Also, when I had Will in was the start of winter, but any summer babies would get far to hot in the carrycot and I don't really see how the pram would work without it.
The carrycot is supposed to be suitable for babies up to 6 months, Will grew out of it by the time he was 3 months.

In toddler and toddler/older baby mode - oldest child goes in the front, youngest in the extra seat attached to the back of the pram.

Since I've had it this way, I've really come to detest the flippin' thing, it just doesn't work.

- It tips.

(O.k. you have to put the eldest child in first. Not a problem until it's home time at playgroup. Somehow I have to hold on to Will as there is no where to put him and try to coax Nat into the pram, strap her in, and then slide him in to the back. The angle is awkward so it's not easy)
I'm having a masive problem at the moment though as Nat has learned how to undo the harness:doh: She did this the other day and the pram tipped back on itself with Will in teh back seat, I just managed to grab it but the back seat is not at all padded, it's quite flimsy so could lead to a nasty bumped head.
Also it's not as sturdy as it looks, quite often it tilts when we are in teh back of a taxi, you have to really hold on to it.

- Sleeping
The back seat does not recline so Will ends up slumped over when he falls asleep. He looks really uncomfortable and will only sleep in it for short period of time.

- The back wheel issue.
Will is eight months old and can reach the top of the back wheel. Not good.

- No space to store things, put your shopping.
You can manage to put a few items in the basket but Will tends to reach out and grab stuff so I have to be really careful about what I put in there or it will be either destroyed / eaten or thrown out :lol:

- Weight issue

As you have to put the eldest child in the front, the majority of the weight is there. God help you when you're going down a steep hill, you are pretty much sprinting after it. It does come with a strap to go around you wrist, and you need it.

BUT THE WORST THING for me is : -

The amount of flippin' attention we get (might be different if you live in a area where they are quite common). This is not a pram for the shy.
We still get stopped several times a day and complete and utter strangers seem fit to comment on it as we walk past. It drives me mental :hissyfit: :hissyfit:
We were at a fun day yesterday and I lost count of the number of people going "Eh xxx, have you seen that pram, isn't it funny looking / ah look at that poor baby down there/ is he is the shopping basket there love" :doh: :doh: :doh:
Everyone will have an opinion on it. I have been told by women in M&S food hall that it is "the most ridiculous pram" they have ever seen, that it's "cruel" :hissyfit: :hissyfit: :hissyfit: .

I nearly lost it yesterday as a woman came it to me, asked me loads of questions about it. We had a nice chat and then she went back to her mates and said "I really like that, I might go and have a look at it". He mate replied "yeah, but have you seen the price of them, she's obviously a drug dealers wife or something":hissyfit: :hissyfit: :hissyfit: :hissyfit: .
I know that this is more a reflection of them than on the pram but this pram attracts attention and it drives me mad. My sister found the whole thing hilarious though.

I can't wait to get rid of the feckin thing.

Rant over. Sorry :lol: :grin:

[Roo]

Can't be bothered to read the whole thread (I know, I'm lazy! :nod: ) but I'm currently awaiting delivery of our double - gone for the Combi WE2, and got a bargain off ebay :ellie: :grin: It ticks all our boxes - side-by-side (have tried a tandem and having the heaviest at the front is just a nightmare for kerbs, turning tight corners etc), fairly light, fold compactly for storage and in the boot, narrow so will fit through most doors, and not cost the earth! Both seats recline and have independent hoods with windows in, so can keep an eye on Laura/Beano as required. We have lunch of a Saturday in a pub in town, and Laura still always falls asleep on the short walk back to the car, so having both seats recline is a must for us.

Had a look at some others in local pram shop, and the P&T just looks plain weird. Laura wanted to be 'sitting up' (ie up one notch from totally flat :lol: ) from about 8 weeks otherwise she just went mental if she was in the pushchair awake, so no way would I even consider that cocoon thing slung under the pushchair! OK so Beano might not take after his/her big sis but it'd be one hell of a waste of money if s/he does!! :doh:

I'm now very excited at having a play with my new toy :cheer2:

[Pikeypants]

Let us know about the Combi Roo. It is quite likely that we shall plump for that one as we have the Dash & it is very lightweight & practical. The double has all the extra bits that the Dash doesn't too- full recline & footmuffs.

I did however fancy one that was parent facing for the newborn but I guess that would mean a heavier pushchair. What a shame Quinny don't have a lighter twin eh?!

[Samba]

hiya
I got a 2nd hand Powertwin and its doing the business for us. Cali loves riding up front and can climb into it himself, which is handy. At the mo I usually put Roy in the car seat and into it, as that way he can be facing me. If I don't use the car seat, I have a nice sheepskin liner for him to lie on which makes the seat a bit more comfy I think.
It is quite heavy, but it glides up kerbs etc, you don't need to lift it so its very manouverable. Obviously its longer than a single, but being able to get through doorways and down shopping aisles easily compensates for that imo.
I have only tried once to get it in my car boot (focus) - it fits, but only just and its quite heavy to lift so not something you would want to do loads.
I haven't actually tried to bump it up or down stairs, i don't think it would be very easy to go up the way though :happyno:

I have also come by a mclaren rally twin! Didn't buy it, and was going to flog it but I don't think they sell particularly well. I have to admit, it folds down really small, so we are thinking of keeping it for use on hols and 'out of the car' use. Bit of a luxury to have two double prams, but it didn't cost anything. I much prefer the Powertwin for general use though :smile: