I may regret this but ........ petits filous?

[Lovebug]

I asked my HV at my weaning class about when I can give rubes yoghurt she said at 6 months and to give petits filous , I did say 'Oh arent those supposed to be full of sugar' all she did was give me funny look and then said well i could give ruby natural yoghurt mixed with a fruit puree. Now what is the big deal are they really full of crap ? if so what do you give your lo , my sil thinks they are fab and won't have it that they are full of crap but then she does give her lo crisps and biscuits everyday:rolleyes:

[Princess Fiona]

Can-o-worms :teehee:

[August Girl]

IMO they are too sweet. We used to buy Rachels Organic and she has the Yeo Valley now she is older.

[WeeBird]

If you want to check out the ingredients lovebug you can here (http://www.petitsfilous.co.uk/index.php?page=range%20and%20nutrition&titleID=1&sectionID=1). TBH both of mine had petite filous and loved them. They had whatever was on special offer tbh

[jubiedoo16]

Strawberry:Fromage Frais, Sugar, Water, Strawberry Purée From Concentrate (5%), Fructose, Concentrated Aronia Juice, Calcium Citrate, Calcium Phosphate, Modified Maize Starch, Stabilisers: Guar Gum, Xanthan Gum; Flavourings, Acidity Regulator: Citric Acid; Vitamin D.


these are the ingredients, first ingredient on the list means highest content down to lowest, so sugar is the first ingredient.

[twirlygirly]

I think everything in moderation is the best policy.
My Ruby has had PF's, especially in the early stages of weaning before we started BLW, she would still have them now but she won't eat Fromage Frais. She does eat Munch Bunch yogurts which are probably just as "bad"
My parents restricted my sugar/sweets/biscuits etc intake as a child and now as an adult I have real problems with food and eating too much crap, so I'm not going to do that to Ruby.

[noo noo]

They had whatever was on special offer tbh

Yup same here - if it was BOGOF then they got it! :teehee:

[Miss Frosty]

I use Petis filous, Rachels organic & Yeo valley and the boys love them all (especially the petis filous tbh :teehee: ).

Everything in moderation I say tbh :wink: .

[clementinexyz]

OK well as you know I am VERY anal about what I give Dexter. Tbh I probably wouldn't have thought twice about giving him PF if I hadn't references on here about the bunfights that have gone on-not that I've read the bunfights.

Anyway I looked into it and could only find one type of yoghurt that didn't have added sugar whichwere the Rachel's organic little somethingorothers. So I decided to make my own :wink: I got some natural yoghurt and I just mashj some fruit into it-usually raspberry and banana or strawbery and banana. Dexter can't get enough, it is really good value for money, he gets two protions of fruit in addition to his calcium and if i use my tommee tippee tub I can take them out and about and they don't leak.

It bothers me that things can be advertised for kids when they do contain added sugar-especially when they say they're suitable from 4 months.

I have decided not to give Dexter anything that I haven't made myself for now so for me that includes yoghurts. ETA I don't want him to get used to very sweet things i.e. things with added sugar as I have a very sweet tooth myself and rightly or wrongly I believe the sweets I was fed as a child have contributed to that menaing I have a constant battle with my weight, as does DH, I want to try and give Dexter a chance to avoid that particular habit although when he's older of course he will have more sweet stuff in moderation.

[*Fallen Angel*]

We've used them on and off, usually when on offer. I'm definitely of the camp everything in moderation.

[twirlygirly]

Strawberry:Fromage Frais, Sugar, Water, Strawberry Purée From Concentrate (5%), Fructose, Concentrated Aronia Juice, Calcium Citrate, Calcium Phosphate, Modified Maize Starch, Stabilisers: Guar Gum, Xanthan Gum; Flavourings, Acidity Regulator: Citric Acid; Vitamin D.


these are the ingredients, first ingredient on the list means highest content down to lowest, so sugar is the first ingredient.

Well it looks like the 2nd to me. :teehee:

[Damsella]

When the initial PF hooha was happening I looked into the ingredients of both PF and the Yeo Valley Organic yoghurts - the sugar percentage is roughly the same, but in PF you gets loads of gums and weird crap.

[Nikki02]

eek, buns at the ready :lol:

Not sure about Petit Filous, but have you looked at the muller little stars?? ( no idea about those either!) :lol:

[L66TTY]

We just have organic natural yoghurts mixed with fruit, we did baby led weaning where you don't really do purees so he had bit of fruit dipped in to the yoghurt.

Now its yeo valley or little Rachels, Mums 4 is the only one without sugar at all!

[Lovebug]

Hmmm see this parenting lark is so hard , im of the same mind as you tg everything in moderation that way she won't go mad for it when older , saying that the mullers little stars look like they have less additives in them so i may try those or the rachels organic.

eta clem i have those small tt tubs as well , maybe i could just do my own with natural yoghurt when im at home

[YUMMYMUMMY]

for me its not just the sugar and other stuff its that the fruit is from concentrate and even then its only 5% , i prefer greek yoghurt or natural yog and puree my own friut to mix in, i have bought rachels organic but neither of my girls like them they prefer plain greek yoghurt with nothing added they go mad for it.

[L66TTY]

Here is an interesting link so you can make your own choice!

http://www.forparentsbyparents.com/info_organic_food_mums4.html

[Ruby]

I know I'm boring about this, but Sainsburys Kids Fromage Frais (in the pots, not the squeezy ones) don't have any refined sugar in and they're not runny, disgusting or ludicrously expensive like the Mums4 ones.

ETA: Ingredients list -De-ionised Grape Juice, Raspberry Puree (8%), Cream (6.7%)(from Cows' Milk), Lemon Juice, Rice Starch, Natural Flavouring.

[Peridot]

I was going to say muller stars as well, they are usually on special offer as much as the petit fils are.
TBH I think thomas prefers the muller stars ones as they're aren't as sweet tasting.
As others have said, everything in moderation etc.
When Thomas was weaning he would have yogurt a lot so money-wise it actually worked out better to buy a big pot of natural yogurt and mix with fruit puree although there were times I found it hard to find anything but fat-free natural yogurt and obviously you want the whole milk stuff!
I made the mistake once of letting Thomas choose the "Thomas the tank engine" ones and they were neon coloured :brainache:

[tinkerbell]

My girls get whatever is on offer. Mainly Little Stars

[hazelnut]

whatever is on offer is what my kids get, its ateeny tiny part of their overall diet, they brush their teeth properly etc...its all fine if you feed your kids properly the rest of the time

[L66TTY]

That's true Rubes and they are cheap too! Shame sainsburys is further away than Tescos for me however seeing as everything else is cheaper in Tescos I don't mind payng extra for the Mum4 ones! The Sainsburys ones are yummier too! They are fromage frais rather than yogurts too.

[Mrs B]

I started by adding home-made fruit purees to organic plain yoghurt, but he started eating a lot of it and it was a faff so I switched to Little Stars - have to confess to believing the ads but they don't have lots of added crap. But now it wouldn't bother me if he had PF at a friends house etc, there are worse things that he could eat and 90% of the time he eats a really healthy and balanced diet. He had BK for lunch today for example, but finished it with a fruit bag and a carton of milk, all things in moderation in my books.:wink:

[Lovebug]

will take a look at the sainsburys ones as well ruby thanks

[donna-j]

The Little Stars are nicer than PFs. When T was small he got a bit addicted to PFs, so I just gave him natural yog with a dollop of fruit from one of the fruit pots in it.

[bubbasweet]

There was petit filous being lobbed everywhere last time someone brought this up :teehee:

[jubiedoo16]

Clem, rachels organic still have 12.8g of sugar in....:wink: so much of a muchness across the board I think, I Use baby danone.

[Ruby]

Just to add that I accept I am a little pissy about my choice of yoghurts but my eldest didn't drink milk, so I used to cram as many into him as possible. If he was having 3-4 Petit Filous (or even those Yeo Valley ones) a day then the sugar would be quite a lot, I think.

Your choice depends on the context of their diet in general, like Mrs B said.

[jubiedoo16]

Well it looks like the 2nd to me. :teehee:


:lol: yeah tis:tongue:

[L66TTY]

Yes but Jubiedoo most of the sugar in Rachels Organics is from fruit rather than added sugar!

This is where you have to be careful as the sugar can be higher as fruit is full of it (fructose) in a better or more fruit filled yogurt!

OMG this could og on forever jsut get the yummy greek stuff and add your own gunk!

[jubiedoo16]

Yes but Jubiedoo most of the sugar in Rachels Organics is from fruit rather than added sugar!

This is where you have to be careful as the sugar can be higher as fruit is full of it (fructose) in a better or more fruit filled yogurt!

OMG this could og on forever jsut get the yummy greek stuff and add your own gunk!


Yesh I know....i'm not bothered really I was just saying what there was, I give DD danone cos its cheaper :lol:

Everything in moderation.

[Ruby]

Yes but Jubiedoo most of the sugar in Rachels Organics is from fruit rather than added sugar!

Well, actually, the ordinary Rachels ones have quite a lot of added (refined) sugar. The Rachels 'My First' ones are sweetened with grape juice like the Sainsbos ones, but are a lot dearer.

I'll freely admit, I've thought about this too much!

[clementinexyz]

Well, actually, the ordinary Rachels ones have quite a lot of added (refined) sugar. The Rachels 'My First' ones are sweetened with grape juice like the Sainsbos ones, but are a lot dearer.

I'll freely admit, I've thought about this too much!

I'm glad you have, I think about this kind of stuff too. Not adequately enough though which is why I make my own, it's easier than reading the labels. Thabnks for the tip about the Sainbury's ones, that will come in really useful as it is near me and my other local supermarket doesn't stock the RO ones.

For me personally I probably wouldn't have a problem with him having sweetened stuff when he's a bit older but whilst he's still having first tastes of stuff I want it to be as healthy as possible.

[Giggi]

Everything in moderation here too. I must add that the new chocolate PF are just YUMMY - no chance of the kids getting their hands on them here though!

[Oppro]

They're not something I would give DD, but I am the ultimate food nazi where she is concerned. 2yrs 4 months & still no chips, crisps, sweets, chocolates, squash, pop, fast food, cake, biscuits, etc etc etc! She has things we call cake & biscuits but they're healthy, usually home made, versions.

ETA: Sorry, forgot to do the usual cruel Mummy comment before someone else does. :lol:

[Adifferentnutty mumof3]

ETA: Sorry, forgot to do the usual cruel Mummy comment before someone else does. :lol:

I don't think you're cruel but I do think your thinking behind it is messy.

[scatterbrain]

I'm not personally keen on the strong artificial taste of PF so my kids have Muller Little Stars. It's important for them to have a balanced diet, which includes high calorie foods. The sugar might be high in some brands o fromage frais, but then you just make sure they don't have any other sugary things that day.

To be honest, I don't think any of these things are as bad as they used to be a few years ago. Baby foods used to be jam packed full of yummy salt/sugars/preservatives/flavourings and colours :zombie: .

That's just my opinion, though. I do remember looking at all the labels in minute detail when E was a baby, but haven't done recently.

Scatterbrain

[Oppro]

I don't think you're cruel but I do think your thinking behind it is messy.

Oh really Madam Zora, and what would that be, sorry I didn't know you were psychic as well as all your other many talents.

[scatterbrain]

Oh god, don't make a bunfight where there isn't one!

[Jamtart]

Well in this house we get tesco value fromage frais cos with Aaron going thruogh about 6 a day its all I can afford!!!!!!!!! He has little stars ATM cos they were on offer in waitrose when I ran out. He needs calcium for his coeliacs because it can cause osteoprosis (sp?) so we need to make sure he eats loads of it!

ETA - he also has cheese, milk and other calcuim rich food not just yoghurts... just using that as an example before anyone points out that FF isnt the only way to get calcium :wink:

[Squeaker]

2yrs 4 months & still no chips, crisps, sweets, chocolates, squash, pop, fast food, cake, biscuits, etc etc etc!

Alex - not quite two and a sometime consumer of chips, crisps, sweets, chocolates, squash, pop, fast food, cake, biscuits etc etc and happy to take or leave them

Squeaker - 34, deprived of chips, crisps, sweets, chocolates, squash, pop, fast food, cake, biscuits etc etc by her food nazi (your word not mine) father and now has real issues with food, especially those she was disallowed as a child.

It may work for you Oppro and I understand your own issues with weight and food but don't for one moment be fooled into thinking that deprivation works or, god forbid, makes you a better mother. In the past 2 years of reading posts from you I honestly get the impression you do think you're better because your DD has never consumed a chip!

[James]

Little stars here.

I cant stand the taste of PF :zombie: - they dt even taste of fruit!

j xxx

[Oppro]

It may work for you Oppro and I understand your own issues with weight and food but don't for one moment be fooled into thinking that deprivation works or, god forbid, makes you a better mother. In the past 2 years of reading posts from you I honestly get the impression you do think you're better because DD has never consumed a chip!

First of all I have no issues with weight. I have always been scrawny no matter what or how I eat, but there are no 'issues' there. It's about the only area where I don't have issues so please don't add any more to my list.

Secondly there is no 'deprivation'. It's never been an issue with DD (if I choose to use her real name I will but till then could you not, if that's not too much trouble for you?) because I've just not had it around in front of her since she started noticing what I eat. If I eat junk I do it when she's not around. It's not like she's fully aware of it & I'm obviously refusing her. She's not surrounded by it so she doesn't care. She will be allowed more when she goes to pre-school / school & is surrounded by it then but till then I see no need whatsoever to give it to her.

Thirdly I am not any better than the 'everything in moderation' mums. I have however looked down on those feeding McD's & coke & Mars Bars to their 6 month olds & if you want to have a go at me for that then whatever, but sorry, I don't feel bad about it. It's wrong full stop & no one can seriously & honestly argue it's not!

Now get off my friggin case.

[Alycat]

:rolleyes:

[Oppro]

:rolleyes:

Why don't you go back to slating everyone here on the Priory if it's so tiresome?

[Alycat]

Oppro, I'll go wherever I want, so don't even go there.

It's not all about you love, I was rolling my eyes at the way this thread has quickly turned into a bunfight over something as insignificant as yoghurt.

ETA: FTR I wasn;t slating off everyone, you should know, you have enough sign on's over there.

[Oppro]

ETA: FTR I wasn;t slating off everyone, you should know, you have enough sign on's over there.

I have 1 - Oppro.

[Jamtart]

Oh FFS - stop the petty squabbling!!!

Oppro - you can feed E whatever you like, you are her mum and its your choice, dont feel the need to defend it

Why do we feel the need to fight over 'who is the best mum' we all do what we think is right. Yes i couldnt have the 'nazi food' discipline with my kids nor would I want to, but I honestly dont care if anyone else does.

DOES IT REALLY MATTER AND DOES IT WARRENT UPSETTING OTHER PEOPLE???

[Squeaker]

Secondly there is no 'deprivation'. It's never been an issue with DD (if I choose to use her real name I will but till then could you not, if that's not too much trouble for you?) because I've just not had it around in front of her since she started noticing what I eat. If I eat junk I do it when she's not around. It's not like she's fully aware of it & I'm obviously refusing her. She's not surrounded by it so she doesn't care. She will be allowed more when she goes to pre-school / school & is surrounded by it then but till then I see no need whatsoever to give it to her.


Apologies re using your DD's name, I've amended my post and had no idea her name was off limits. I had assumed as I, a pretty infrequent poster, knew it that it was in the general domaine. I completely understand and respect your position here.

Regarding the weight issues I was referring more to your perception of others, than yourself. The tone of your previous posts on the subject have very much reflected my father's and he is more concerned with other's people shape than his own. If that is not the case, then I apologise but tbf, your previous posts regarding your prior career have certainly had an air of Sophie Anderton on CLI about them and my bias regarding your comments has come predominantly from that. Perhaps a misinterpretation I don't know, I can only speak from my personal take.

Has your DD ever been to a birthday party? With the best will in the world Alex has been given things I wouldn't ordinarily allow him at parties but I think 'hey, it's a one off' so it doesn't bother me but I don't know of any birthday party that doesn't have, erm, cake for instance.

FWIW to the OP DS has (obviously) had PF, he likes them I don't eat yoghurt or fromage frais so the fact he's eating them, laden with sugar or not, is an improvement on me.

[Oppro]

Thank you for the name thing, I stopped using it publicly a while ago after the second to last round of hassle.


Has your DD ever been to a birthday party?

Yes, probably about 10 or so in the last 2 years, not that many, but all for 1 & 2 year olds & there was no sweet or junk foods at any of them. Maybe it's just the group of Mums I know but I'm really not that extreme or unusual round here, we're all pretty similar in that way. Like I said when she starts pre-school she'll be around it more & I won't be able to control every tiny little thing she eats & as the ages goes up so does the party food, I accept that, but till then I'll try to keep her off it if I can.

It's not even so much of a health thing now, more a making my life easy thing. If she gets picky with food now she demands fruit & pasta. If she knows what chocolate & chips & sweets are she'll be demanding that & I CBA with the battle frankly.

Re the size thing, I just tried to type an answer but frankly it was an epilogue & I don't even know if it's the issue you're talking about so I give up on that one!

[Squeaker]

more a making my life easy thing. If she gets picky with food now she demands fruit & pasta. If she knows what chocolate & chips & sweets are she'll be demanding that & I CBA with the battle frankly.


I totally get that and re the other thing, I clearly have my own issues with food so don't worry about it.

[Elle Driver]

Stars here Lovebug, the girls love them. And they're bigger.

Have not bar the odd occasion bought petit filous, they're too sugary - and too small!

When I was first weaning I bought the Danone weaning fromage frais, which tbh i didn't even read the label of :doh:

So they may be just as bad! :shootme: :lol:

[Posie]

I'm an everything in moderation mum too - I generally use Little Stars, but do buy PF if they're on offer. I offered Lily natural (greek) yoghurt with fruit a number of times, and she wasn't having any of it.

Squeaker - my dad is a 'fattist' and we weren't allowed a great deal of sweets etc in the house when we were younger. Perhaps, that's why if there is something sweet in the house, I will eat it until it is gone. Or perhaps it's just that I'm greedy biatch :wink:

[Zazie]

I must add that the new chocolate PF are just YUMMY - no chance of the kids getting their hands on them here though!

I bought those the other day. I ate all the chocolate ones and L had the vanilla ones :teehee:
Most of the time, I give him greek yogurt + fruit puree.

Zazie

[Chickster]

Will's gone off yoghurts now so it's not really an issue in this household. However, when I was weaning him I bought Little Stars - even I preferred the taste of them to PF which I do think are quite sweet. However, my Sainsbury's have (for whatever reasons) ceased to stock Little Stars so we do have a pack of PF in the fridge (the small pots). Will has about 2 a week (as opposed to one yoghurt a day when I was weaning him) and I don't have a problem in giving them to him.

Everything in moderation really. Insofar as I am able, Will has a pretty balanced diet - he feeds himself now so will only pick out the food on his plate that he's happy to eat and leaves the rest - usually his veg :rolleyes: He's 19 months old and thriving so I'm obviously doing something right!

I would say if you're using yoghurts to help wean (i.e. using them every day, perhaps twice a day) then perhaps they're not the greatest but they are a great source of calcium and babies do love them. Each to their own really.

[Rosa]

Louis hated yogurt for ages which was a right PITA when it came to puddings so I am quite delighted he'll now eat little fromage frais, I don't really mind what kind they are (Thomas ones seem to go down the best :lol:), and I don't mind if he eats sugar either :happyno:

Red xx

[Mrs Flowers]

yoghurts make mia do lots of cheesy smelling pukes so we dont bother!! I do give her rice pudding which has added sugar - initially I was not sure I like the idea, but couldn't find any without, wanted her to have some dairy desserts, plus it's the only added sugar she has in her diet (and it tastes no sweeter to me than her fruit puree - natural fruit sugar is pretty sweet in taste anyhow).

[Damsella]

I use Alpro Soya "yoghurts" - yummy, filling and very good for you! :thumb:

I'm not a fan of too much dairy :happyno:

[BJMac]

Haven't read this thread, apart from the initial post, but just wanted to say Petit Filous, McDonalds, crisps, chocolate blah blah blah - ateotd as long as that's not ALL they're eating, it doesn't matter!!!!!!!!

And Petit Filous - it's a yoghurt :shrug: - I can't believe that this debate has been going on for so long :loco: .

[Adelelee]

Haven't read this thread, apart from the initial post, but just wanted to say Petit Filous, McDonalds, crisps, chocolate blah blah blah - ateotd as long as that's not ALL they're eating, it doesn't matter!!!!!!!!

And Petit Filous - it's a yoghurt :shrug: - I can't believe that this debate has been going on for so long :loco: .

wss:grin:

[Pippin]

They're just really the same as the muller stars but the muller stars ingredients are cleverly worded and petitfilous have added calcium and vitamin D.

J won't touch the healthier ones as they're can be a bit sharp.

There is only one gramme in sugar difference per 100 g between petit filous and muller stars and petit filous contain more fruit juice than muller stars which would probably be why so personally I'd rather give petit filous than stars especially as they have more than double the amount of calcium in them.

[Lovebug]

Thanks for the replies ladies:flowers: , I too am aghast at how long this thread has gone on for , but am glad it hasnt descended into too much of a bunfight , because imo if someone can't post a thread about yoghurt without it descedning into utter chaos than the world is a very sad place indeed .

[Pippin]

Joshua likes the munch bunch ones best they're always on offer :thumb:

[emgem]

Pippin, I'm with you Sophie currently has 56 pots of muller little stars waiting in the fridge as they were on offer :lol:

[Cherrypie]

Haven't read this thread, apart from the initial post, but just wanted to say Petit Filous, McDonalds, crisps, chocolate blah blah blah - ateotd as long as that's not ALL they're eating, it doesn't matter!!!!!!!!

And Petit Filous - it's a yoghurt :shrug: - I can't believe that this debate has been going on for so long :loco: .

:bow::bow:All hail the voice of reason!

Exactly WSS!

My too have the odd McDonald's, occassional crisps and sweets. It's a treat - but not a big deal. But the vast majority of their diet is fresh fruit and veggies, home cooked dinners, and home baked cakes/muffins etc. Tbh, Eilis would rather have a slice of fresh pineapple or handful of blueberries than sweets. I think this is because she's not 'deprived' (for want of a better word) the naughty stuff, so it's not a big deal.

[BJMac]

Thanks for the replies ladies:flowers: , I too am aghast at how long this thread has gone on for , .

BTW, when I said I can't believe how long it;s gone on for, I didn't mean your thread, just the whole Petit Filous Shock HOrror debate amongst parents for years!!

[flipflop]

Haven't read this thread, apart from the initial post, but just wanted to say Petit Filous, McDonalds, crisps, chocolate blah blah blah - ateotd as long as that's not ALL they're eating, it doesn't matter!!!!!!!!

And Petit Filous - it's a yoghurt :shrug: - I can't believe that this debate has been going on for so long :loco: .

:thumb: :lol: Well said B!

[martha]

(not read all the other replies yet - do I need to duck from any low flying buns:tongue: )

My DD will only eat PF now.:doh: but she's 3 and I try to give her a healthy balanced diet so I don't worry about it. She has very definate ideas about what she does and doesn't like now:rolleyes:

Having said that, when she was a baby and I was weaning her I tried to only give her plain yog with fruit puree (not every time but mostly!) I was a bit precious about putting too many additives into her new little body.
Maybe I'm in the minority here but surely HVs should be suggesting the healthier options :meh:

[Damsella]

And there is nothing wrong with not having MacDonalds etc, either :smile:

There doesn't seem to be a "debate" as such on this thread - people are just saying what they feed their LO's. Where's the harm in that?

[Jelly]

what ever is cheapest or available. Neither of my 2 eat much yoghurt, a pot a day at most.

DS2 has those choobs in his lunchbox, but he's 6.

[BJMac]

And there is nothing wrong with not having MacDonalds etc, either :smile:

There doesn't seem to be a "debate" as such on this thread - people are just saying what they feed their LO's. Where's the harm in that?

Of course not.

Okay maybe not a debate as such, but the endless discussions that happen on discussion boards about a tiny pot of yoghurt/fromage frais.

I've never heard anyone irl talk about PF, but maybe that is telling me that my friends are all as lax as me :teehee: .

FTR at the moment we have a fridge full of Muller Corners which are on special in Asda :ellie: .

[Damsella]

But surely that is what forums are for - all the drivel that you wouldn't bore your friends with :teehee:

[BJMac]

No, I bore my friends with all sorts of drivel, just not yoghurt :wink: .

[Hazy]

I wasn't even aware there was an 'issue' with petit filous DS was weaned on them and has one most days - though we have started using whatever is on offer so muller little stars, thomas, and just tried morrisons cheap own brand. It's fromage frais not arsenic! But then DS does have crisps, biscuits and although he's yet to have chips he will in time. I suppose I think this debate mirrors the breast vs bottle one that goes on and on.

[Tazdevil]

well for a giggle can I just say that I've always had a good relationship with food and my Mother fed my an entirely wonderful, healthy and varied diet that included occasional 'treats' that were seen as 'treats'...........so no issues there...

my giggle is that I just had a coffee with my Mum on Saturday afternoon (rare thing for us to have a chance to get together somewhere and grab a drink) it was a lovely day and we sat outside a nice cafe and she got me a cappaccino. She was like "do you want that decaf or skinny?' and I was like er...... 'just the way it comes please' and then she said 'do you want one of my sweenters?' and i was like 'no sugar please' to which i got 'brown?' and I was like 'no Mum, i want white LOTS of it' :lol: and she was like 'Tazzzzzzzzzzzzzz' i despair of you......:lol: and for my next drink I ordered a bottle of 'real coke' becasue they sold them and I haven't seen those bottles much around lately. I thought she would have a hernia when I ordered that one it was hilarious...............

i was like 'look Mum, I just ate a granary sandwhich at home accompanied by a 'home grown' garden salad.............so lay off...........I eat fine ok!!!'

:lol:

so this sort of stuff does not stop when you become and adult. Your Mother will always worry about what you eat :lol:

[Fiz]

My DD has happily eaten fromage frais since weaning and I give her whatever is on offer in the supermarket. She has had the PF puds as well, I haven't tried them myself but the :choc:one does seem to have a dramatic colour-effect in the nappy department!

[Hello Kitty]

My parents restricted my sugar/sweets/biscuits etc intake as a child and now as an adult I have real problems with food and eating too much crap, so I'm not going to do that to Ruby.

My feelings exactly :nod:

[Damsella]

My sweets and stuff were restricted, at home and at school, but I don't have a particular problem with it now.

So issues about food in adult life may not necessarily be down to childhood eating habits and permissions.

[fifitrix]

My sweets and stuff were restricted, at home and at school, but I don't have a particular problem with it now.

So issues about food in adult life may not necessarily be down to childhood eating habits and permissions.

Yep, same here; I was never allowed sweets or chocolate - these days I can take it or leave it (except for Bendicks bittermints for which I often have an urge :scratchchin: ) I don't give DD sugar if I can help it; she's not yet 2 so I can get away with that as she doesn't know what is out there :lol: She does have the occasional sweet-ish pudding at nursery but that's fine - I don't really want her to be different to the other LOs and anyway if she goes hyper then they can deal with it :wink:

[Damsella]

Don't get me wrong - DD's just had a slice of cake because we were in our favourite cafe and they make lovely cakes. And at parties etc she eats what she wants.

But at home, we don't have biscuits or sweets in the house - she has rice cakes or raisins. Poor deprived child :teehee:

[Adifferentnutty mumof3]

But at home, we don't have biscuits or sweets in the house - she has rice cakes or raisins. Poor deprived child :teehee:

Exactly the same here!

But my eldest is 8 so they do have chocolate but no sweets - makes them all hyper!! Mine don't have crisps either.

But we DO have chips ( yummy!) and the rule in my house is that when we are out we can eat what we liek at parties/people's houses/cafes etc but I say what we eat at home! Works well, have to say! :thumb:

[Ruby]

In Casa Ruby, it's not that sweets, crisps, cake and chocolate are not allowed - but we just don't have them in the house. I might buy a bag of crisps for them to share if we're out and having a sandwich but I wouldn't have a six pack in the kitchen.

It's not my business what anyone else feeds their kids. I have no patience for true food nazis. That's all about snobbery rather than health. I find it a bit wearying that people feel they need to publicly apologise for feeding their children fish fingers and beans, for example, when there's absolutely nothing wrong with them from a health perspective.

And, depressingly enough, I have had the Petit Filous conversation in real life today. So I am that dull.

[ellabella]

Ava eats everything from PF to Little Stars to those Muller thingys shaped like strawberries to plain yoghurt with homemade jam.

I mean, seriously, how many PF would someone have to eat for it to impact on their health/teeth?

[Adifferentnutty mumof3]

In Casa Ruby, it's not that sweets, crisps, cake and chocolate are not allowed - but we just don't have them in the house. I might buy a bag of crisps for them to share if we're out and having a sandwich but I wouldn't have a six pack in the kitchen.

It's not my business what anyone else feeds their kids. I have no patience for true food nazis. That's all about snobbery rather than health. I find it a bit wearying that people feel they need to publicly apologise for feeding their children fish fingers and beans, for example, when there's absolutely nothing wrong with them from a health perspective.



WSS! Word for word!

[YUMMYMUMMY]

and for my next drink I ordered a bottle of 'real coke' becasue they sold them and I haven't seen those bottles much around lately. I thought she would have a hernia when I ordered that one it was hilarious...............



diet coke:faint: id rather have real coke with sugar in than aspartame:zombie: im more of a nazi about fake sweetners but i guess thats another thread:teehee:

[Seagull&Snoopy]

I make my own yogurt - much cheaper!

[Damsella]

I make my own yogurt - much cheaper!Not in time!

[noo noo]

Not in time!

You obviously haven't discovered Easiyo!

Its amazing :thumb:

http://www.easiyo.com/

[Damsella]

Does it work with soya milk? :scratchchin:

[YUMMYMUMMY]

CAN I MAKE YOGURT USING SOY MILK?
The litre boxes of Soy Milk are usually UHT so it does not have to be boiled.
Just add a couple of tablespoons of EASIYO Yogurt to the Soy Milk and incubate as per normal instructions in the EASIYO Yogurt Maker. Some may work, some may not. I have found that the Soy Milk needs to be very very fresh ie have a long Best Before date.

eta: taken from the easiyo website

[Ruby]

I thought you had to use the sachets with Easiyo, otherwise it wasn't sterile?

[Chickenlips]

So issues about food in adult life may not necessarily be down to childhood eating habits and permissions.

I think you'd find a few people on here would disagree with this statement, I for one was never allowed sweet things, not because my parents didn't like us having it, simply because they couldn't afford it.

Guess what? I have the sweetest tooth you can imagine, I can literally eat 6 choccie bars in one go. When I am in a restuarant all I want to look at is the desert menu - I am obsessed by sweet things :grin:

So, I have accepted it and decided that my girls won't be deprived, they have a very good diet, but they do have treats, like jaffa cakes, mini rolls and the occasional sweeties.

We just do the best we can, while we can.

[Damsella]

Or, I could buy some Alpro Soya yoghurt in about 5 mins :grin:

[Damsella]

I think you'd find a few people on here would disagree with this statement, I for one was never allowed sweet things, not because my parents didn't like us having it, simply because they couldn't afford it.

Guess what? I have the sweetest tooth you can imagine, I can literally eat 6 choccie bars in one go. When I am in a restuarant all I want to look at is the desert menu - I am obsessed by sweet things :grin:

So, I have accepted it and decided that my girls won't be deprived, they have a very good diet, but they do have treats, like jaffa cakes, mini rolls and the occasional sweeties.

We just do the best we can, while we can.Yes, but you might have had a sweet tooth anyway.

[noo noo]

Does it work with soya milk? :scratchchin:

Can't see that it could - sorry.

Basically you just add cold water to the Easiyo mix which I assume is cows milk based.

[skylark]

Babies are born with a sweet tooth, they all are - that is why breastmilk is sweet over the years we develop a savory tooth which is why salt is far more dangerous to the human body than sugar is. I don't understand whey sugar is being made into the root of all evil. As part of a balanced healthy diet it can actually be a good thing.

[Damsella]

I suppose because in our Western society and economy there is far too much fat and sugar used in many foods. Just as there is too much salt.

What our bodies actually need is a natural diet - that's not what they get these days!

[Chickenlips]

Yes, but you might have had a sweet tooth anyway.

Yep either that or the fact I was so aware that I was deprived of sweet things that I used to shoplift to feed my 'habit' when I was a teenager.

[Damsella]

Or, your sweet tooth could have made you far more aware of what you couldn't have and therefore made you feel far more deprived and desperate than someone who didn't have a sweet tooth.

[Chickenlips]

Yes, but you might have had a sweet tooth anyway.

Yep either that or the fact I was so aware that I was deprived of sweet things that I used to shoplift to feed my 'habit' when I was a teenager.

[Oppro]

Yes, but you might have had a sweet tooth anyway.

Exactly. I was never denied sweet or junk foods along side a pretty healthy diet, and I've got the sweetest tooth going - 3 sugars in my tea, gorge on a family pack of chocs in 1 sitting, eat packets & packets of sweets & when DDs not looking I live on coke, chips, KFC, McDs, kebabs etc etc. I hope to god DD doesn't turn out like me but if she does then at least I know I tried my best to give her healthy eating habits & a taste for a healthy varied diet. As it is she has a far more savory tooth than I, loves pasta, fish, sauces, spices, peppers, mushrooms, etc all of which I hate, and when she once picked up someone elses sippy cup of Ribena at a soft play she spat it out & threw it away. Plus she is only TWO. She's not 10. She doesn't have a clue that junk food & sweets exist so has no idea that cruel mummy is depriving her, it's just not an issue. It'll only become an issue when other kids introduce her to it all at preschool or school, when I'll have to lighten up, but till then we'll be carrying on as we are.

[banana]

Personally, I would not give my child PF *everyday*. Every once in a while, in moderation would be fine. But its mine and DH's personal take on how much sugar, salt, and fat we are going to allow our child to have on a *regular basis*. Obviously, a McDonalds once a month wont kill them.

[YUMMYMUMMY]

Babies are born with a sweet tooth, they all are - that is why breastmilk is sweet over the years we develop a savory tooth which is why salt is far more dangerous to the human body than sugar is. I don't understand whey sugar is being made into the root of all evil. As part of a balanced healthy diet it can actually be a good thing.
i dont nessasily see sugar as bad or evil i just dont see the need to have it in thier diet all the time and there are so many sweet things they could eat that are full of sugar and taste yummy but imo they are too young to understand that they cant eat it all the time and that its a treat, so in our house its just not normal to have bisciuts and crisps and junk in the cupboards and fridge. when someone offers them a adult biscuit ( digestive, bourbon, custard cream ect) untill recently Matilda would always say no or take a bite and say she didnt like it. i dont see it as depriving her, she just didnt know any different.
She does eat sweet stuff now, i was very nazi about her food when she was a baby i relaxed when she hit 2 1/2 ish but she still doesnt drink juice (unless its pure juice/smoothie) never fizzy, never eats sweets but will eat chocolate but shes the only one of her friends that can only eat a few choocolate buttons out a pack and not want anymore, which is good because i get to finish them:grin::lol: i never refused her much she just never knew about them to want them iyswim

she has a life time of eating whatever she wants and as time goes on i will have less and less input into what she eats so for as long as i do have an imput i want to use it to show her how to eat healthily. For me its more important that she has a healthy relationship with the food on her plate that she stops when she's full and doesnt feel the need to eat it all just because its there. I was always made to finish my food , all of it and have vivid memories of sitting at the table an hour after everyone else with a cold meal gagging eating it:no: not nice not something i want matilda to go through. and now as an adult i will eat the lot even im fit to burst im just compelled to eat it so thats where my food issues come from.
sorry prob went on a bit there:oops:

[skylark]

My daughter tells me "I've finished my dinner now mummy, you can throw it away in the dustbin." :smile: I think that is great as she has clearly learnt how to listen to her own body to tell her when she has had enough.

[YUMMYMUMMY]

My daughter tells me "I've finished my dinner now mummy, you can throw it away in the dustbin." :smile: I think that is great as she has clearly learnt how to listen to her own body to tell her when she has had enough.

thats great:thumb: i let matilda and tabs decide when they've had enough , i also like to sometimes have the dinner on a serving dish on the table so they can take what they want rather than me deciding how much to put on the plate to save on waste and they can always get more if they want.

(sorry totally off original pf topic)

[Chickenlips]

Exactly. I was never denied sweet or junk foods along side a pretty healthy diet, and I've got the sweetest tooth going - 3 sugars in my tea, gorge on a family pack of chocs in 1 sitting, eat packets & packets of sweets & when DDs not looking I live on coke, chips, KFC, McDs, kebabs etc etc. I hope to god DD doesn't turn out like me but if she does then at least I know I tried my best to give her healthy eating habits & a taste for a healthy varied diet. As it is she has a far more savory tooth than I, loves pasta, fish, sauces, spices, peppers, mushrooms, etc all of which I hate, and when she once picked up someone elses sippy cup of Ribena at a soft play she spat it out & threw it away. Plus she is only TWO. She's not 10. She doesn't have a clue that junk food & sweets exist so has no idea that cruel mummy is depriving her, it's just not an issue. It'll only become an issue when other kids introduce her to it all at preschool or school, when I'll have to lighten up, but till then we'll be carrying on as we are.

Good for you!

I'd just like to add, having two children, under the age of three, occassionaly makes mealtimes slightly difficult - if I can get a potato waffle (god forbid) into one of them, then I can hallelujah with the best of them.

[August Girl]

My daughter tells me "I've finished my dinner now mummy, you can throw it away in the dustbin." :smile: I think that is great as she has clearly learnt how to listen to her own body to tell her when she has had enough.

Oh yes, my grandparents were very strict on waste. I remember many meals feeling overly full afterwards. Always being told we should be grateful and that x,y and z wasn't avaliable during the war. :hissyfit:

[seashell]

I dont buy PF, always buy the Little stars as they are always on offer. The only thing I worry about T having at the moment is what he drinks - he is happy with water so I have never given him anything but milk or water and all of my family and DH's family think I am cruel for not giving him things like Fruit shoots etc. I just think whilst he is happy with water why not wait until he is asking for them rather than just give him them, obviously when he is older and sees other kids have them I wont deprive him but for now he is happy with water which is much better for his teeth!

[Sarasue]

I think you'd find a few people on here would disagree with this statement, I for one was never allowed sweet things, not because my parents didn't like us having it, simply because they couldn't afford it.

Guess what? I have the sweetest tooth you can imagine, I can literally eat 6 choccie bars in one go. When I am in a restuarant all I want to look at is the desert menu - I am obsessed by sweet things :grin:

So, I have accepted it and decided that my girls won't be deprived, they have a very good diet, but they do have treats, like jaffa cakes, mini rolls and the occasional sweeties.

We just do the best we can, while we can.


My mother was a complete hippy. I was raised on mung beans, lentils and brown bread......never had sweets/chocolates/fizzy drinks :happyno:

As an adult I am a sweet freak too - I cannot say no :lol:

I am trying a much more balanced approached with my children. No mung beans :lol:

[Cherrypie]

I thought you had to use the sachets with Easiyo, otherwise it wasn't sterile?

But Easiyo is made with tap water, which isn't sterile.

Easi yo is fab. I use 'Yog-It' too (not sure if it's available in the UK. It's the same method as Easiyo, but the flavoured versions aren't so sweet.

[Monkey Chops]

Jack eats whatever comes in strawberry as he's refusing to eat any other flavour just now. At the moment, it's the Asda kids yogurts (Great Stuff or something?) He gets McDonalds maybe twice a month or so but doesn't like biscuits, cakes, sweets, chocolate, icecream etc etc. His diet is pretty crap in general but that's down to his fussy stubborness more than what we want him to eat. Oh, we do let him have fizzy drinks but he only ever takes about 2 or 3 sips and gets bored. Considering it's the only sugary thing he likes, I'm not too bothered :shrug: Or really, I am but I can live with it.

[Hello Kitty]

I think one thing that perhaps people miss in debates like this is the concept that some kids are naturally fussy. G is pretty fussy and sometimes if it is the choice between her actually eating something and not then yes I would pick something like PF if that is what she wanted.
I think that people whose children eat everything are incredibly lucky as in my case it has not been for the want of trying. We have a very varied diet at home but unfortunately this doesn't mean that G will eat everything (well not yet anyway). So if it was the choice between a lower sugar yog or from frais and one that she will eat, I guess I will buy one she will eat :nod:

Obviously I don't mean that I would just feed her McDonalds if that is what she wanted and would only eat that :nod:

On another point, how does anyone find the time to read all the labels of stuff they buy and make comparisons? I seem to whizz round the supermarket like a mad woman and like others just buy what's on offer :grin:

[suemarie]

I used to buy PF for Lucy but when Muller little stars were advertised on BOGOF I bought a few packs & have never looked back since.

I have tried both PF & Little stars & prefer the muller ones as PF taste too sweet.

But I love the Rachels organic coconut flavour greek yogurt as does lucy but its so damm expensive.

[Ruby]

But I love the Rachels organic coconut flavour greek yogurt as does lucy but its so damm expensive.
Oh god, and fattening too. I could probably die from eating that, but I would die happy.

I need easi-yo advice but I shall start a thread elsewhere...